Three witnesses were interviewed by the committee, including government insider David Charles Grusch, 36, who said, “I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program, to which I was denied access.”
Grusch is a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and served as the reconnaissance office’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) from 2019 to 2021. Then, from late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis and its representives to the task force.
The UAPTF was later replaced by the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).
UAP is the current government nomenclature for UFO.
Grusch, who has since turned whistleblower, said that information regarding the recovered craft has been illegally withheld from Congress and he has filed a complaint alleging that he has been the victim of illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures.
He described the retaliation as “very brutal.”
“It hurt me both professionally and personally,” Grusch said.
He went on to say under questioning that he had knowledge of “people who have been harmed or injured” as part of government efforts to conceal information on UFOs, and that he had feared for his life as a result.
“I am hopeful that my actions will ultimately lead to a positive outcome of increased transparency,” he said.
Grusch told the committee that recoveries of materials up to and including intact vehicles have been made for decades—and continue to be made—by the U.S. government, its allies, and defense contractors.
Furthermore, he said, analysis performed on these materials has determined that they are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures.”
Grusch also talked about the recovery of “non-human” entities from UFO crash retrievals.
“As I’ve stated publicly already in my NewsNation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries,” Grusch said.
He added that these “biologics” were “Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to, that are currently still on the program.”
Grusch was unwilling to go into detail on some previously made claims, such as U.S. government possession of a “very large, like a football-field kind of size” craft mentioned in an interview with NewsNation or a “bell-like craft” discussed with French newspaper Le Parisien, citing issues of security. Instead, he told the committee that he would be willing to elaborate in private.
While Grusch has not seen any of the alleged alien craft or entities himself, he said his claims are based on “extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials.”
The Pentagon has denied Grusch’s claims of a cover-up.
Sue Gough, a spokeswoman for AARO, said in a statement that the office “has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.”
She added that the department is “committed to timely and thorough reporting to Congress.”
Also interviewed were David Fravor, the former navy commander who recalled seeing a UFO during the filming of the now famous USS Nimitz “Tic Tac” encounter off the coast of California in 2004, and Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot and 10 year Navy veteran (retired) who claimed that UFOs were a regular occurrence off the Atlantic coast “every day for at least a couple years.”
This hearing continues the interest that Congress has shown in UFOs over the past several years, beginning back in 2017 when news broke of the Pentagon’s secretive UFO project—known then as the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
Congressman Tim Burchett (R-TN), who is co-leading the congressional investigation into UFOs, told Newsweek earlier this year that he believes “we have recovered a craft at some point, and possible beings.”
“I think that a lot of that’s being reverse-engineered right now, but we just don’t understand it,” he said.
Prior to that statement, Burchett told fellow congressman Matt Gaetz (R-FL) in an interview that he believes the U.S. Government has “recovered craft” that could represent extraterrestrial technology.
Burchett attempted to downplay some of his previous statements at the hearing.
“We’re not bringing little green men or flying saucers into the hearing. Sorry to disappoint about half y’all. We’re just going to get to the facts,” Burchett said.
One thing he did maintain was his claims regarding the difficulty of conducting the investigation.
“It’s been so difficult to get here today,” Burchett said. “In the Baptist church we say that the devil is in our way, and the devil has been in our way for this thing. We’ve run into roadblocks from members, the intelligence community, [and] the Pentagon.”
Following the hearing, Burchett said he found Grusch’s claims of crashed UFOs and retrieved “non-human” entities to be credible.
“I believe they exist. I knew that before I came in here. I didn’t learn a lot because I knew the answers already, but I was glad they put it in the record,” he said.